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I don’t think there is an overriding problem here in sec 1 with TOO many skilled wrestlers in the same weight class. Heck, it’s tough enough to field a team with even a full compliment of good wrestlers. I don’t see the point of having too many qualified wrestlers in the same weight class as a problem big enough to try and enact policy change. It’s tough enough to achieve change in more important issues as it is.

32 man brackets are ideal for a state tourney. Perfect for NY state with it’s 11 sections plus the other 2/3 representatives. Add in 3 or so wild cards in EACH weight class and you have it. Why did we change in the first place ??

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Hopefully we can politely get some attention to this much need bill.

Our state system of qualifying student athletes for State Championship competition involving certain individual sports does not ensure that the best individual athletes compete at States. This is fundamentally unfair to our children. They are deprived of opportunities to compete at the college level because of this unfairness. The Fairness in Competition bill would begin to address this serious, long standing inequity. I understand that New York State is the only state with such an unfair system. This is ironic, given the leading role New York plays in so many aspects of our national life, including professional sports and entertainment. Why should our children be so seriously disadvantaged in their efforts to compete with student athletes from other states for college opportunities? We should all urge our representatives to act on behalf of our student athletes and to support this important legislation.

“Add to that tournament thinking, opening up the states. Take the top three from each section, give top guys byes and give more kids the opportunity to perform at that level.� And “What can be done/Is it worth doing-having more than the sectional champ advance to the States. Anyway of opening that up to include top three?�

Here’s the deal:

Serious proposals by the NYSWCA for multiple state entry in NY go back to 2005. Because the NYSPHSAA is a state funded bureaucracy that refuses to allow multiple entries, there is pending legislation in Albany called the “Fairness in Competition Bill.� If passed it will force the NYSPHSAA to allow multiple entries and end the current discrimination against wrestlers in New York.

The wild card entries are a band-aid solution. Although it’s an improvement, the wild cards still fall far short of what is needed.

If you’re not familiar with the legislation or the multiple entry proposals, click on the website below where you’ll find information on the proposals, the legislation and the progress of this effort going back to 2005.

More importantly, you’ll find out what you can do to help. It only takes a small minority to force changes if they are passionate and vocal. Remember, the squeaky wheel always gets the oil.

http://www.sectioniiiwrestling.com/NYSWCA/

Yes, it is true. The 22 points will be per wrestler which means teams can split their squads and send some to one place and others elsewhere. For example, you can send you top kids to the Eastern States and your other kids to another tournament that same weekend so they are each seeing competition that is geared to where they are in their development as wrestlers.

Coach Rogers –

The real issue then will be in finding the weekend to do it because of long-standing, traditional tournaments and the coaches who may not be willing to give up a great weekend of wrestling for their program which is also a significant fundraiser for them as well. For example, if it were to occur during MLK weekend, New Rochelle isn’t going to give up their tournament one year if they enter the dual tournament, and then try to restart it another year if they choose not to go to the duals. When do you think would be a good time to hold this event?

This is a great idea, I’m in!

If it will not count as 2 points against a team to schedule the dual, then that is a good development. My assumption about the points was what I was told by the chair of Section IX that all teams had to be in but perhaps that is now up to each section’s athletic council and that is how they handled it in Orange County. I guess the only obstacle left then is to figure out when to hold it because it seems as if many teams are locked into long-standing tournaments that have been run for so many years on the same weekends – Kohl, Shoreline, Super 16/Rockland County, Port Chester, Mamaroneck, Somers, etc. The other question would be the minimum number of teams and the maximum number of teams allowed to compete, when a team has to commit by, and host schools.
It sounds like this idea, though, is a lot further along then I was lead to believe. Good luck and keep up the hard work getting it done. In the long-run, it could definitely be a good thing for Section I.

The Coaches Association is working hard on trying to implement a Dual Meet Tournament. We have done some research and discovered that every team does not have to enter as was formally beleived. We can have the tournament as long as the Section One Athletic Council approves it. From what we have heard the Athletic council will approve it if it does not cost them more money. The other obstacle is getting all the coaches to agree on a date and securing sites.

As far as the Divisional and Sectional format please understand that the Coaches Association does not make the decisions on the format. If we did there would be multiple entries at the States! All we can do is make proposals and hope that the Athletic Council will vote our way. There are many differing opinions among our coaches on whether we should have two, three, four or no divisional sites at all. I can tell you now that the Athletic Council does not want four sites because of money. We as coaches need to come to a consenseus and push our AD’s to vote our way. Unfortunately this is hard to do when half the coaches in the Section would rather complain then come to the meetings and get involved. We have a meeting at White Plains High School on Wednesday Night. We will be discussing next years format. Please ask your coach if he plans to attend.

A note to wrestfan. The coaches have absolutley no say in who gets the wild card. It is all determined by a point system basesd on past accomplishments. As far as the rankings they are done on a voluntary basis by a few coaches who are willing to sacrifice their time and energy so that our fans have something to talk about and our sport gets some publicity. I personally try to get as much information as I can before giving my input. Any info you have is welcome. When are people going to realize that THEY DON’T MEAN ANYTHING! They are just for fun. The wrestlers themselves will determine the final rankings.

On a final note, there are many wrestlers who work hard year round and are representing our section well. Some go to Degl, some go to Laurenzi, some go to Hofstra. They are ALL working hard and they are all the “class of the section”. Come States we need to work together and stop pitting them against each other.