Section 1 Small School results

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This entry was posted on Sunday, February 17th, 2008 at 10:02 pm by Tony Pinciaro.  Print |  Email

22 Responses to “Section 1 Small School results”

1. JJMom February 17th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

   Congratulations to Ryan Osleeb. He practices at JJCR and he is a class act. Good luck at States.

2. Observer February 17th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

   Congratulations to David Rice for his MOW. Great job by a great kid who worked as hard as anyone in the offseason. Its been a long road and hopefully it continues with success in the state tournament. Best of luck all of Section 1 in the state tournament.

3. Osleeb February 18th, 2008 at 10:12 am

   I would like to extend my thanks to AD Beckley,Coach Swertfager,Coach Pat/Mike/Mcginty without whom there would be no oppurtunity for Ryan. Further thanks to the parents and the outstanding young men/atheletes at JJCR who we have been blessed to share these next 4 seasons with.

4. fan February 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

   Congrads to all the Ardsley Winners AND GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE AT STATES

5. Why February 18th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

   Why does small school place to 6th? There are less than 12 kids in a bracket. It would be like placing every kid who qualified for sections in large school!

6. 12rock February 18th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

   Osleeb should wrestle with Div 1 on JJ team. Surprised no else has brought this up. Gets the diversity to work with the bigger pool then come back to samll Div. Hey to me seems as an unfair advantage. Just heard about this deal Sunday. Who picks up the dime here for the travel or does he work that out himself. Don’t kill me here it’s my opinion , so what i’am not politically correct.

7. Osleeb February 18th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

   “12rock”

   I wont kill you. But your opinion leaves me befuddled. What unfair advantage does Ryan have? Ardsley has 2 multiple section champs in their room(Gottfried/Manley). Should they be asked to leave their school next year so that others in D2 could have a more level playing field? Mahopac has 2 multiple section champs and state place winners,are they ask to transfer to other D1 schools to provide a better room for some other program? You seem to negate the fact that his opportunity for matches is significantly less than all others in section I(ie not dual match competition). He often has many days were he must make his own practice arrangements when JJCR is at dual meets. Is that an unfair DISadvantage? Was it an advantage for him that many other schools allowed their middle school students to wrestle varsity but his would not? I could go on. But the fact of the matter is Ryan’s only advantage is his work ethic and desire to be the best he can be. That lead to many OFF season hours learning technique,finding good partners(not at JJCR) to wrestle with,working out,and traveling to some high level competitions to challenge himself. Whether we like it or not,wrestling D1 or D2 is simple based on where you go to school. Whether your successful starts and end with YOU. Furthermore your comments suggest the we should devalue D2. On the contrary, as long as it exists, lets look to make IT the best it can be. Im not sure whether your a parent/coach or wrestler since your hiding behind “12rock”. In any case, I will tell you what a tell Ryan: don’t worry about what someone else may or may not do for you,Make your own opportunities,no whining. He seems to get it….do you? Now,I hope i did not kill you…

8. wrestling's not for wimps February 18th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

   RIGHT ON, OSLEEB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your could not have said it any better. GO RYAN! CLEAN UP AT STATES! WE AT JJHS ARE ALL BEHIND YOU!!! YOU HAVE EARNED EVERY BIT OF THE SUCCESS YOU’VE RECEIVED!!!

9. sectfan February 18th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

   Osleeb,

   I would like to wish Ryan the best of luck to him at States & the next 3 years. I’m sure any Div 1 school would love to have him on their team.

10. 12ROCK February 18th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    OSLEEB, short of time right now will address some of your thoughts later. I wish your son luck at wrestling and in the future, But i have an opinion. I have no relative fighting in your sons area so there is no conflict of interrest. I over heard people talking about your situation( at Sections), thats how i got wind of it. I know Haldane has a small program (4) should they go to another district as well. I wish there was just one Div not two but i do not make the rules. Since there are two Div lets stay within. Maybe there is more for me to know Will catch up more later . Anyway you shake best of luck to Ryan

11. Osleeb February 18th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Thanks to the previous post including 12ROCK for your good wishes. Whether other small programs such as Haldane should or should not make other arrangements is not the point. You suggested Ryan had an “unfair advantage”. My previous post was to address this unfair accusation. The 4 at Haldane and indeed those willing can create their own advantages through their own actions. As for Ryans arrangement with JJCR it was in the hands of bureaucracy(ADs,school boards,and superintendents). The final arrangement satisfies many practical and philosophical criteria. With out this arrangement Ryan would be denied the opportunity to participate at all.Are you suggesting we reduce opportunities to participate in this sport? Perhaps its best for you to look at it this way. Ryan is on the North Salem wrestling team. Like Haldane it is not a full squad. North Salem wrestling often scrimmages with JJCR. I do believe that other D1 and D2 programs make similar arrangements during the season. Indeed Edgmont and Westlake were at JJCR more than once this year. Did that gave them an unfair advantage?

12. Irene February 19th, 2008 at 8:26 am

    I agree with WHY concerning small schools. Some weight classes had only 8 – 9 wrestlers. Previous years they placed 1, 2, 3. Which is the way it should be. When it was decided to separate large and small schools I though it was a good idea – giving small schools a chance. I know many people don’t agree and thats ok. Wrestling is the hardest, most intense sport our sons (and daughters) can participate in. Every kid that steps out there on that mat should be congratulated. But the placing should be 1,2,3.

13. Coach Rogers February 19th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Irene the idea is that the small schools will grow in numbers now that they don’t get the heck beat out of them by the big schools. We, small school coaches, are hoping that schools like Haldane and North Salem can grow and scools like Briarcliff, Bronxville, Blind Brook, Albertus Magnus, Valhalla and many others will add varsity wrestling. I miss the days of 1 single state champ but they are gone and aren’t coming back. The positive end to the D1/D2 split is that the little guys have a chance to compete for a title or third or fifth. Is it hurting anyone that a couple of kids wrestle for fifth, no. If getting a program started at North Salem means that Ryan Osleeb has to work out with JJCR so be it, if he didn’t work out with them after school I sure he would have worked out with the at the ISW that night anyway!

14. Coach Berno February 19th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    To “Why”, and “Irene.” It is true than some small school weight classes are not very large but there are several good reasons for wrestling to 6th place. First of all it just gives the wrestlers more of an opportunity to wrestle. Since small schools do not have divisionals they already have less bouts than the large schools. Secondly it serves as a good motivational tool for many younger wrestlers. I know for a fact that many wrestlers who place anywhere in the top 6 are proud of there achievement and I feel that anytime we make our athletes feel good about their performance it just helps to promote the sport.

15. Irene February 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    To Coach Berno
    I agree with everything you posted. Like I said, every kid that steps on the mat and sticks with the program should be congratulated and feel proud of his/her achievements. Promoting the sport of wrestling is very important. We struggle trying to turn the modified wrestlers into varsity because of the intensity. Anyway those are my thoughts. Congratulations to all the wrestlers. Good luck at States and on to next year.

16. 12rock February 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Osleeb—- When i made referance to unfair advantage i refer to being able to practice with another school district on a dailey. There are other small schools that do not have tht option. When you bring up ardsley or mahopac, i do not get that, if the child goes to that school why should they leave it? May reference is who chooses the school your son will practice with. I am sure alot of kids would like a say on where they learn from. Who picks up the expenses of getting the child to and from the practices.(is there a special bus run for him).

    I do not suggest he not participate, i don’t have an answer. If someone moves to a school district and wants to be in a sport or program the school does not have , do i then demand the school start a program or make a way for him at others expense?
    Look JJ has alot of good programs and draws from a good size and diverse population. That is an advantage.
    to me it would be like one of the kids from Haldane or Braircliff going to Degals and at section time Degal take the kid to sectiions and coach and the town cover it because it’s not big because its so small program.
    Bottom line for me is i guess is you live in a school district you train with them play with them win and loose with practice with them. I happen to see Ryan at Sections and he is very good, easy winner there i take nothing away from the skill he has. I stand my ground on the thoughts and yet wish you nothing but my sincere best at wrestling and in the future. The talent is there for sure and i’am glad we are both able to exchange our ideas in a civil manner, which in these times is sometime almost impossible to get done.
    Once again sorry if this caused you any pain and good luck to the family and Ryan at States go get em kiddo

17. Osleeb February 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    ‘12ROCK”

    Thanks again for your good wishes. I must admit I find it difficult to follow your logic. I think we will have to agree to disagree. You seem to think that there is some magic water over at JJCR that Ryan has drank to improve his abilities. I believe that many D2 coaches/wrestlers/wrestling rooms can match the quality in D1. Your comments suggest otherwise. (This was my point in naming Ardsley,where they have two multiple section champs in their room.)You need look no further than section 4,5,6 were D2 wrestlers are ranked above many D1 wrestlers on a state level. They do not have the large diversity you suggest Ryan “benefits” from. Some how they create their own advantage. I know that Ryan would do the same no matter where he practices. I don’t think we would be having this conversation if he had lost. Not sure why your so interested in the transportation/ and minimal cost but i simple refer you to my second post. You have caused no such pain in the least. Next time you see me and Ryan,feel free to come over,say hello, its always good to meet people and put a face to their ideas.

18. small schools February 21st, 2008 at 12:41 am

    I have to say Coach Rogers that the split has been bad for the small schools. The quality of wrestling drop-off between the first year of D2 (2004) and now is more than noticeable. It hurts wrestlers in both divisions to have an easier path, and it takes greatly away from the mystique of becoming a sectional champion. I remember the first year of the split, we missed out on Mike Murray vs. Marc Zurla and Einfrank/Paswell vs. Andy Monegro. How many other times have the fans been denied a showcase match like that, while in the meantime the elite wrestlers aren’t as well-prepared for college and the small school wrestlers can’t get recruited because there’s nothing to judge them against. Let the state do what they want, but why not have small school sectionals as the 4th divisional and then have a unified tournament the next week. The small school champ could still go on to D2 states, and when a small school kid wins sectionals the runner-up could go to D1 states in his stead.

19. Observer 3 February 21st, 2008 at 9:03 am

    A D2 wrestler can get the respect of D1 and be considered for college recruitment. Example: Ian Paddock,Kyle Dake,Berkowitz. Whats required is continued competition in tournaments where D1 and D2 wrestlers compete together. Elite Post season tournments ect. If your good enough and you showcase yourself they will find you regardless of D2 status.

20. Mahopac Wrestler February 21st, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    When I was watching Ryan wrestle, he made it look easy. He’s a fabulous wrestler and a great kid, very polite and respectful, and best of luck in sates I’m sure he’s gonna do great.

21. Coach Rogers February 21st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    To Small Schools,

    If you want big school match ups you have to schedule big school competition. I intentionally schedule big school competition to get my team ready for the small school sections. The small school states are the real deal. There are plenty of small school kids out there that will smoke the large school competition and do at the Eastern States and other regular season tournaments. My concern now is not bragging rights for section 1, lg vs sm, it is to get my three section champs ready for the states. We will not be going back to one state, we might as well make the best of what we have.
    I would take the 4th division challenge, my teams alway peak at the end, would have loved to take a shot at the big school competition!!!

22. John February 24th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I know Section made some changes to section 1 a few years ago with small and latge schools. I was just looking at the small school tourament. Some kids have to win 3 matches to be called a Section One Champ. Seems pretty weak to me

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